Flickr/Dennis Jarvis-California-06300 - Inside Old Saint Mary's. And scripture confirms this authority (Matt 16:18-19) as do the beliefs of Christians from the beginning and throughout the centuries. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the … It was always believed, but without a direct challenge to its orthodoxy, the Churched lacked some of the necessary clarity to explain how it fit into the deposit of faith. I recognized, however, that they point to the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching. Faith based, It is where the Holy Spirit comes from as in the prayer THY KINGDOM COME.. it came post ressurection…. From the other posts here one would have no idea that Paul thought anything of his or other letters; just “traditions”, which are never mentioned. Consequently, whatever Scripture asserts (in the proper sense) is something asserted by the Holy Spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. The Parables are about the Workers of the Kingdom INCREASING the fruitor Gods GOODS . In order to even begin to dialogue with Protestants, many Catholics will often take on the presupposition that not only must everything be supported by scripture, but that everything must be proved from scripture that explicitly states it. In any case, “The sinlessness and the assumption are not only not found in scriprure, they direclty contradict- even negate- the reason Jesus came to earth from Heaven, according to the Bible, anyway. Luke 1:56 / 2 Sam. For example, Martin Luther confirmed Mary’s Immaculate conception (before RCC’s dogma) and perpetual virginity. That also would make the God spoken about within the Bible neutral. In which case you’re wasting your time (and JA’s precious blog space!) You might look at the doctrine of angels (angelology) and say, “This isn’t directly related to our salvation. The story of Mary’s birth and details about her aging parents, Joachim and Anne, come from apocryphal writings, but one can see the natural progression of God’s work of salvation here. 2 Sam. For “my country” I prefer “the country where I live.” How can I pledge allegiance to one of man’s countries when I’m a sworn ambassador for Jehovah’s kingdom under Christ Jesus? The topic is “Why Is the Immaculate Conception Important?” You’ve actually switched the topic to the Assumption, but I think the arguments are pretty much the same. I can tell you sincerely that the Catholic faith seems quite reasonable to me. So that when St. Paul says that all men have sinned, he is acknowledging a universal law and like all universal laws there can be exceptions. The second is to keep them from falling in beforehand. Please check your inbox to confirm your subscription. @noprem That is interesting noprem. “…inspired of God,” – absolutely, always taught by RCC Genesis 21:1-3: “And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken. You couldn’t read Catholic Scripture. My family will offer prayers for your surgery. Are we to be similar to the Mormons who tell us to read their scriptures and if we feel a burning in our bosom then it means it’s inspired scripture? ” We asked a hundred people to define the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. @dmohrCatholic @noprem Back to the OP. In fact, this immaculate conception, which distinguishes Mary from our common condition, does not distance her from us but, on the contrary, brings her closer to us. This is a generational line prepared by God for the salvation of mankind. 10), Uzzah died on touching the Ark, and the High Priest was warned to incense the Holy of Holies, lest he see God and die. And Joseph [was chosen]. Mary never was my mother nor was she ‘mother of the Church’. Genesis 3:6 “The woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and the tree was desirable for gaining wisdom. That is why Nadab and Abihu died offering alien fire to the Lord (Lev. Peace of Christ be with you! This is why in the apostolic constitution Ineffabilis Deus, in which he defined the Immaculate Conception, Pius IX spoke of it being “fitting” that Christ’s mother would be so prepared, not that it would be “necessary” that she be so prepared. Like you, I believe that there are many things that are inferred or implied or just plain make sense even though they are not explicitly spelled out as I might wish them to be. Adam and Eve sinned: (re: “Yes, it is true that if Adam had not sinned all would still be alive in the Garden.”) Is the Jesus speaking here the same one the RCC considers to be Almighty God? Blessed Duns Scotus is saying two very important things here. It thus came to be synonymous with the church – the dwelling-place of God on earth. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”. ), I should be sending out the special mailing with Pope Benedict’s summer reading recommendations later this week. But it’s also revealed truth for these last days. @EJohnE”bible never says that the bible is the sole authority” Unless you have another “interpretation” of the key words. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”, Clarification:Above, I wrote “His beliefs, like yours, were a ‘disagreement’ with God’s word, not mine.” I meant, of course, Wycliffe’s unscriptural belief about ‘calling on the Holy Virgin’. (Mt 24:14; Mt 6:9,10) Just look around at the panoply associated with your current Assumption festivals- all that effort, but are you passing the scriptural test our Lord talked about at Mt 7:21? The first is that somehow Mary was exempt from the “all” men who have sinned. The Promise; the reward for faithfulness. The truth around which the Immaculate Conception orbits is the true humanity of Jesus. Has Divine Tradition ever been committed to writing? There are many today claiming to fill their shoes; you have your names and I have mine. … How strange it would be for the ark of the old testament, which only contained symbols of God’s presence, to be without stain but the mother of the one true God Jesus Christ to be somewhat less than the ark and be stained with sin. Direct or indirect contact with the Spirit of God, and even proximity, was lethal to sinners before the death of Christ. That he has done with the Bible, and I’m inclined to add ‘in spite of, not through, Doctors and Fathers’. Isaac was first as “the Father of a Mighty Nation”. If you believe the claim that the RCC has custody of the Bible, you should respect the Bible as coming from your Church, not deny its plain statements. The response was overwhelmingly positive and in 1854, he issued the Bull Ineffabilis Deus which solemnly proclaimed that "We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful." I am grateful for your continued words of encouragement and ask for your prayers as I offer my own a the journey we share! While Mary was conceived in the normal, human way through her parents (Joachim and Anne), the Immaculate Conception speaks to the fact that Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin. 1900) describe the stories of “Anne and Joachim” and note their similarity to that of Samuel’s mother Hannah. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01538a.htm. He says he’s capable of it: “So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.” That is why Chris is our brother. Now those who say so wish to preserve the honor of Mary in virginity to the end, so that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word . “For it is written: Rejoice, you barren, that bear not: break forth and cry you that travail not: for many are the children of the desolate, more than of her that has a husband.” ???!! But in the fallout from the Council there has been a movement to de-dogmatize the Immaculate Conception in an attempt to be more “ecumenical.” The argument goes that belief about the Immaculate Conception is not necessary for salvation so therefore it is relatively unimportant.is based on a false understanding of the idea of hierarchy of truths. Throughout the history of the Church, the challenge to orthodoxy of heretical teachings has always brought with it the fruit of a development in doctrine. As to the OP topic, do you have scriptures I have missed stating the time [era] and manner of Mary’s ‘leaving’? Isaiah 7:14 “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel” Scripture says to do so. However, John immediately passes over this fact and describes the “woman” clothed with the sun in Rev. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. As the 19th Century emerged, many in the Church called for a dogmatic definition of the privilege of the Immaculate Conception. There is a popular idea that the day refers to the conception of Jesus by the Virgin Mary. What does the dogma of the Immaculate Conception entail, and why is it important? Yet Paul says, ” Wherefore as by ONE MAN sin entered into this world and by sin death: and so death passed upon all men, in whom ALL have sinned.” 23c. Example: At Mt 5-7 Jesus was a Jewish teacher speaking to Jews; fasting was an option to them as a religious function. Mary, too, points to Christ. Belief in Mary’s Immaculate Conception was developed and nurtured in devotion and prayer for centuries, and was officially recognized by the Catholic Church when Pope Piux IX declared it “infallible doctrine” in 1854. By declaring that only one such human person was born that way, the Holy Spirit was speaking truth not just about Mary but about mankind. All these may offered as reasons why God–and the Church–deemed it important for us to know about the Immaculate Conception. Although God does not redeem us the same way he redeemed Mary, at the beginning of our lives, he will eventually free us of all stain of original sin as well. These other beliefs support the belief in the core truth. A song of ascents. To say that bible “scripture” is neutral is a problem for me because it took 400 years to construct after many debates; arguments; government and social considerations for the sake of peace; king decrees and wars, and finally the fact that the “writers” actually BURNED written works that they did not include in it so that NO ONE could have another opinion outside of theirs. Can something be better than perfect? The priests had to cover them first, as the Levites would have incurred death of they touched them or even viewed them. I’m currently preparing a mailing for the Secret Information Club in which I talk about Pope Benedict’s book recommendations for summer reading. Early in Church history, the truths that are at the top of the hierarchy of truths were infallibly defined–the existence of one and only one God, the divinity of the Son, the divinity of the Holy Spirit, etc. @noprem I read the previous posts. Consider the Gospel of John 2:5, the Wedding at Cana. In future, cite or quote a scripture or two, show its application to the OP, and take a cool-off period. Unity is a clear message in Christ’s commandment of the Church. And John the Baptist was conceived divinely by God through Elisabeth, Zacharias’s wife and Mary’s cousin. The concern expressed in the objection is understandable. As a result, there’s still time to sign up! No more Law for Christians, just love and Godly principles. I can see your problem is with . We will all one day be “stainless” (immaculate) if we persevere in his grace. Which means that the RCC claim to find the Assumption anywhere in scripture is ingenuous- or something else. That single verse all by itself could be used to point out virtually anyone. What happened to Mary was something that had never before happened since the dawn of creation: she came into direct contact with the uncreated life-giving power of God. (Cf. Anne”: John Wycliffe also stated, “There is no sex or age, no rank or position, of anyone in the whole human race, which has no need to call for the help of the Holy Virgin.” (Acts 4:13 ibid: “Now seeing the constancy of Peter and of John, understanding that they were illiterate and ignorant men, they wondered: and they knew them that they had been with Jesus.”) Aaron’s sons offered unauthorized incense at the altar. He creates the heavens and the earth. Circular reasoning. As a matter of fact, it is actually the conception of Mary herself that is referred to here. @noprem Other than to refer to a comment that claimed Mary was the sinless child of God, my posts have all focused on the scriptural attention to Mary. “While sin divides and distances us from one another, Mary’s purity makes her infinitely close to our hearts, attentive to each one of us and desirous of our true good. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband Mat 20:28; Mar 10; 1Ti 2:6” is still true. Compared to the the Trinity, the central mystery of the Christian faith, the Immaculate Conception is lower down on what the Second Vatican Council referred to as the “hierarchy of truths.”, This is illustrated, among other ways, by the fact that the Immaculate Conception was not infallibly defined until 1854. 13:9-10 – this is another account of Uzzah and the Ark. @noprem understanding plain language. If none will respect a simple statement like that, then why do you presume to teach “above that which is written”? Later exegetes were Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and the Gospel writers. Thank for the opportunity to share the gospel with you. What a Time for a Virgin. “Anne is the traditional name of the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary. We find seeds of the Immaculate Conception throughout Salvation History, beginning with just after the Fall of Adam and Eve, when God promised not to abandon mankind, but that He would send them a new Adam and a new Eve (Gn 3:15). Jonathan Meyer - What is the Immaculate Conception and why is it important? Rob holds an MA in Theology from Holy Apostles College and Seminary with a concentration in moral theology. Isaiah 25:8 “he will swallow up death forever. Psalm 132: 1-8 But not mine. And it all began in her Immaculate Conception. Your “reasoning” is repeating RCC teachings with wishful thinking. A very important pillar of Catholic teaching is celebrated on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on December 8. This is why the Immaculate Conception is important. God Bless you and keep you. The Savior of All; the light that lightens the Gentiles; the Christ; the Anointed One; the only Governor of his Church; and the Redeemer of All mankind. 2 Sam: What happened with Uzzah and the Ark has been covered previously. – God created the idea of a family as composed of a father, a mother, and (usually) children. However, God has given the Church the authority to teach us and even to infallibly proclaim things to us in certain situations. The Immaculate Conception can be related to Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross in various ways. (That’s not a popular belief these days, but it was OK with Jesus. Greater than the for Trinity on eye surgery ( prayers appreciated nuanced than that common Protestant objection to the and... 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